what she said

[skoosiepants]

So I don't know how exactly I feel about the Tomrad thing, but I'm certainly not mad at Tom for breaking some fanfiction rule or something. You get into this fandom, this stuff might happen, because these are real people - although the characters in my fic are not, which is what always weirds me out about possibly meeting these people in person or going to concerts and stuff, because I have a very distinct separation from, say, the Brendon who's in my head, bouncing around with armfuls of puppies, and the Brendon who's actually a real boy, who I know nothing about.

So, whatever. I don't actually have a point, but I guess my biggest fear is that these people don't realize that. Like, I'm not actually acusing Brendon of being, whatever, in a committed sexual relationship with Spencer or being afraid of zombies masquerading as fangirls or being a Christmas elf in disguise (the fic that never was! SERIOUSLY!). And that's kind of stupid, because I'm hoping (HOPING) that these guys are smarter than that, but you never know. Ryro was pretty defensive about all the implied gay sex at one point, wasn't he?

WHATEVER. I'm not locking down my posts - hell, I hardly ever (if at all? can't remember) place a stupid disclaimer on my fics, so I'm just asking for something bad to happen - and my website is out there clearly marked with keywords and descriptions of exactly what is on the pages, and let's just hope I don't get, like, sued or something. Which would be so lame.

The small heart attack about that Certain Coasts post was totally justified - I mean, wouldn't you get all clammy and nauseous? Doesn't mean I can complain or bitch about it, though. That would also be lame.

Now I have to go off and figure out why the Ancients would have a tween-making machine on a off-world planet - any suggestions?

Comments

[thelastbloom.livejournal.com]

Tween-making machine = a machine that makes 10-to-12-year olds?

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

Well, turns people in tweens. Or, like, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen yr olds. They're not sure of their ages. There's no purpose!

[thelastbloom.livejournal.com]

Well, it could be an early prototype to give the Ancients longer life spans or reverse aging...

[oneechan19.livejournal.com]

Maybe the tween-making machine has something to do with Accension? And it was at an outpost?

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

I was thinking that, but why would they need to be teenagers in order to ascend? Hmmmmmm.

[thelastbloom.livejournal.com]

Maybe an Ancient had an idea that recapturing some child-like innocence would lead to ascension? And then it didn't work so they stuck it in an outpost they used like some sort of extra-planetary basement.

[oneechan19.livejournal.com]

It's part of the process, maybe. Like... reliving your childhood one last time before becoming a glowing floating squid thing.

[natacup82.livejournal.com]

I agree! I don't actually think that the real folks have much in common with the characters in the fics beyond the superficial surface stuff since we don't actually know these people (and quite frankly I don't really want to meet any of them).

Maybe the ancient's used it as a parenting tool! Like maybe Ancient's whose children were about to reach that age went off world to relearn the challenges of being at such a transistional age or something. Or you could go with the default reason being the Ancients were weird as hell.

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

I like to say that I want to meet them, but in reality? I would totally hide just to avoid them.

A parenting tool! very, very interesting. Hmmmmmm.

[x-imnotyourstar.livejournal.com]

I know little about stargate besides your fics, but maybe the machine was made as a precaution for any major catastrophe which thretened the population so that they could make people go back to a better baby-making age if there werent that many left to bear children.

I have no idea and my brain is dead from physics, forgive me

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

BABY-MAKING AGE! For some reason that sounds HILARIOUS to me!

Can't comment re Tomrad, but the Tween Making machine?

[belladonnaf66.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah-the ancients made to relearn lessons and life. They got so old and realized that they didn't have the wisdom to ascend so they got a 'get outta jail free card' and got to try again. But only if there was a committee to go through to say, 'heh, you're so stupid we don't want you in our glowy club' or 'ok, have fun, we'll see you in the next go around'

or or. nope, that's all I got

Re: Can't comment re Tomrad, but the Tween Making machine?

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

no, no, that's actually kind of good. Hmmmm. I gotta think on this a little.

[eleanor-lavish.livejournal.com]

Hey, FYI, helenish just wrote a fic where Rodney gets hit by a device on an off-world planet and regresses to 20, and her conceit was that it was actually a device that you're supposed to zen out with once a month that keeps you from aging, but Rodney poked at it a little too vigorously and BLAMMO, so... you could totally steal that one? (Please please do not ever ever think that you should NOT WRITE THIS because of this other fic, which has NO WILLIAM BECKETT IN IT, nor any PATRICK. I WANT THIS LIKE BURNING.)

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

I think pretty much everything I write in SGA has been done before, but the tropes are so much fun!! AGE REGRESSION! They're so adorable and hard to resist!

[vampyreranger.livejournal.com]

THere was a plague and everyone over a certain age got killed so to presserve life they continually reverted back.

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

I like the idea of this being a constant renewal - maybe one that's actually tough on the body, you know, so they can only do it so many times?

[vampyreranger.livejournal.com]

Awesome!

[rainyday101.livejournal.com]

ok, wow, im feeling kinda out of the loop but um... tomrad thing? what did he do/say? cause im pretty curious. someone wanna give me the 411?

and in regards to the tweenmaking, hmmmm, maybe the ancients had a better sense of humor then we thought? or like many other people said maybe it has something to do with ascension, as that seems to cover a lot of ground with the ancients. in any case i cant wait to see what you come up with cause i am so in love with your fics. also i adore the bandom/sga crossover, i read heavily in both fandoms and having them smooshed together? ftw. totaly.

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

Tom quoted an algernon_mouse fic on his myspace or something, and POSSIBLY left an anon comment - "just beautiful" - and some people are up in arms about it, like he's exposing fic to the light or something. Some people are stupid :) It's kind of cool! Especially since the fic is a good one.

in any case i cant wait to see what you come up with cause i am so in love with your fics. also i adore the bandom/sga crossover, i read heavily in both fandoms and having them smooshed together? ftw. totaly. thank you so much!

[general-jinjur.livejournal.com]

if i were an ancient, i might want a tween making machine for diplomatic/spying purposes - i mean, tweens can be massively inquisitive, and get forgiven when they get caught doing things that might actually be espionage, because they might not know any better. and they can be fostered out, or sent to schools to bond with the kids of the leaders of whatever society the ancients are trying to manipulate this week, to introduce subversive social engineering. like a much more hands-on and *slightly* more subtle game. tweens might even have been overlooked during wraith incursions, in the latter days of the war, since a smart culling takes adults and leaves the next generation to mature and breed. or maybe tweens would be scooped up by the wraith and taken to their ships rather than eaten outright, allowing for onboard espionage!

i bet there are even more reasons for a tween-making machine.

halloween costume! parenting scheme (you know, communicate better with your kids at that awkward stage by becoming one temporarily)! city maintenance workers get tweenified when they need to work in tight conduits!

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

MINI SPIES! HA! best idea I've heard yet! And maintenance workers? *laughs*

[iamsupernova.livejournal.com]

Does every sci-fi TV show have a set of Ancients? Because I know you're talking about SGA, but Farscape has them too. And I'm sure a bunch of other shows that I can't think of off the top of my head do, too.

I have a very distinct separation from, say, the Brendon who's in my head, bouncing around with armfuls of puppies, and the Brendon who's actually a real boy, who I know nothing about.
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my biggest fear is that these people don't realize that.
Yes! I know! That's the thing- I wish there were a way of explaining that. I mean, I could use some sort of massive allegory of to a girl fantasizing about the boy she likes asking her out and planning every moment of it in her head.

The point is, we enjoy taking personalities we recognize and playing around with them as characters. We aren't freaks who actually believe any of this is happening (I don't speak for thems over at mcr_hardcore, I'm actually terrified of them), until the tinhatting starts, but for the most part, I've been completely impressed by how mature this fandom can be. Bandom (and fandom in general) has inspired so much creativity and so many intelligent discussions that it's easy to lose sight of the fact that some people don't separate, oh, slutty!Ryan with the one currently dating Keltie and living in terror of the fanfiction-writing girls. :D

Plus, the community and relations that are formed based on the simple fact that we all love these boys and their music is so completely amazing. There are some really amazing people in this fandom.

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

Scifi is sort of predictable, right? *g*

There really are great people in this fandom - some of the best; it's like a huge family of LOVE.

[calathea.livejournal.com]

The 'tween making device was on another planet because it was put on a safe planet, so that Ancient parents and teenagers could take short trips together and swap ages for a few days -- it was a "walk in the other person's shoes" sort of thing, so that the parents would remember what it was like to have more hormones than red blood cells and the kids could see how their behaviour could affect other people.

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

swapping ages, eh? that's a pretty cool idea!

[clayeer.livejournal.com]

the ancients were the masters of the plot device. if its good enough for the sga writers its good enough for you!

"my brilliant plan involves this piece of technology that we've had all along but never mentioned because it didn't go with our colour scheme."

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

HA! I think that's what makes it so fun :)

[foxxcub.livejournal.com]

OH OH, what if the tween-making machine had to do with that planet they found in season two, where it was all kids and you had to die when you turned 25? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

I totally reference that in this story!! I love Childhoods End! I need to figure out a way to make this a little angsty, I don't know. I want to pick on Bill a little :)

[mintyfiend.livejournal.com]

Oh Tomrad, just beautiful. I kinda hope people (including the boys) get the distinction between these characters and the RL people they happen to resemble. It's called fiction for a reason :)

And another SCA/bandom tease! My brain is full of 'please to be includin' tween Gerard?' and I can't get past that so, sorry, I lose at suggestions of the crazy Ancients kind!

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

I really, really hope so, too!

OH GERARD! WITH YOUR BIG-EYED-NESS! He's totally getting de-aged.

[mintyfiend.livejournal.com]

Your brain is made of win. Yey!

De-aged Gerard being all cute and woobie-like...this is gonna be good :)

[audrey1nd.livejournal.com]

It's a sort of punishment. After all, those are the most awkward years of your life. (not really mine since I went through all that in elementary school, but still, hundreds of books can't be wrong.) It's for the more serious of criminals/annoying people since it lasts at least two years.

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

A punishment! Can you imagine that trial? I sentence you to relive puberty!!!

[druidspell.livejournal.com]

In most of the eps I've seen, the people taken and fed on by Wraith are adults, so maybe tweens are less desirable to the Wraith. Remember the village where you had to kill yourself when you turned 25 in Childhood's End? Maybe they were on to something with what they thought, that anyone over a certain age was like catnip to space catfish vampires.

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

I think it has to have something to do with the Wraith, but like, what if they use it as a way to avoid getting culled, but it has detrimental affects? Like if they keep doing it, their bodies start to break down!

[druidspell.livejournal.com]

Yes!

... I'm totally still trying to puzzle out a way to bring Mikey into this to save the world, you realize.

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

Me too! At this point I think if I do it I'll have to write it into the next installment, 'cause this is just too crackfilled for serious stuff like Mikeyway *nods*

[inmyriadbits.livejournal.com]

There's a good post here (http://fairestcat.livejournal.com/449918.html) about compartmentalization involved in fandom in general and bandom in particular that I found really spot-on. It's one of the hardest things to explain to outsiders about fandom, IMO. My older sister (not in fandom) once surprised me by asking whether I ever got fic story lines confused with canon. It's easy to forget that some people don't get it when you're friends with so many who do. Although, I think there are some segments of RPF fandoms that don't compartmentalize, but those are the unhealthy, deluded, RL-stalker-type minority.

The Ancient device could have the same purpose as the time-bubble John got stuck in 2.12 "Epiphany"; being turned into tweens gives the Ancients more time to learn how to ascend.

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

ooo, thanks for the link, that hits it EXACTLY, you're right!

so, like, they have more time to learn how to ascend? Hmmmmm.

[inmyriadbits.livejournal.com]

Isn't it great? I think about it like that almost exactly, but "compartmentalization" is a great simplifying term that I was missing.

Yep! There's a certain age at which sitting for long hours meditating must just start sucking for your joints, and/or senility sets in, you know? And then it's reset button time! But maybe they worked in another thing that sends you back to your preferred age when you're ready to ascend, because who wants to spend eternity as a tween? (and because you have to get the boys back to their real ages at some point, right?)

oh my god

[gillianjar.livejournal.com]

"The small heart attack about that Certain Coasts post was totally justified - I mean, wouldn't you get all clammy and nauseous?"

Oh my god. Was that about my posting a question about it? Oh god, I hope not. If so please know that my name is gillian (gilly for short) and I'm just a lurker. I only got an LJ (long time ago) because on of the ff authors I really liked made her journal friends only. Then I switched over to bandom and started reading your stories and I just couldn’t not ask you about that story because it is *so* good. I’m *really* sorry if it was my post that worried you. ::feels like shit:: I’m just to shy to ever really post much but to in love with a few bandom authors not to post at all. ::sigh:: -gilly

Re: oh my god

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

Oh dude, NO, it wasn't you!!! Don't worry, hon, you are totally allowed to ask me ANYTHING on this journal, I post the fics public for a reason, so always feel free!!

No, there was a blog that was ONE WORD different from Pete Wentz's personal blog that posted a link to Certain Coasts - and I was freaking out about whose blog it could be, and the fact that Pete could mistype and see the link!

The blog was taken down for an unknown reason, so I'm still totally curious about it. I had the heart attack when I hadn't realized the slight name difference at first and thought it WAS Pete's blog!

Re: oh my god

[gillianjar.livejournal.com]

::deep calming breathes:: I can’t tell you how *freaked* out I was when I read that and thought it might have been about my asking you about CCSA! I’ve really only posted on about four people’s LJ’s and I never log in unless I’m forced to so I thought maybe it kinda freaked you out to have someone you didn’t know randomly asking questions about your ff. Glad to know it’s ok.

As for the Pete Wentz-like Blog…that is *really* weird. I would have freaked out too.

Also, I was to shy to post this earlier but since I’m already going to post this…

I just wanted to say congratulations on your wedding. I’ve been reading as many of your posts as I can squeeze into my day and though I don’t know you I’m really *very* happy for you both. I also looked at the pictures you posted of your wedding and you look absolutely stunning and so happy. I wish the best for both of you. ::hugs:: -gilly

Re: oh my god

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

Bandom people are super nice, so I'm sure you'll slip in quite well! Don't be afraid to chat :)

I just wanted to say congratulations on your wedding. Thank you so much, hon! *hugs back*

[daydreambeleevr.livejournal.com]

first things first.

I love how any time I wanna talk to you, I have to take my pants off. just saying. *wink*

second, I about peed myself when I saw that [Bad username or site: @ livejournal.com] had part of her story in Tomrads journal. Never mind the anon post to her journal. That made my head all esplody. I think her fic is scrumptious (as is she) with a healthy side dish of awesome. If Tommy boy is gonna go trolling the webs he couldn't have landed in a better spot. :)

While I can't help with (or improve on) the suggestions you've got for the waay back machine, I can say that I'm gonna be over here bouncing in the corner (much like Bden on too much sugar) waiting to see the results in your fic.

YOU + SGA + BANDOM=

SQUEE!!

Kerry =)

[skoosiepants.livejournal.com]

WE'RE ALL NAKED IN HERE!! *laughs*

I think it's kind of awesome that he's reading good slash - it's almost heartening, even if still really, really freaky :)

Hurrah for crossovers!!